Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Being Pat Robinson

Pat Robinson called the Haitians "cursed" because they made a "pact with the devil" when, in fact, they revolted and defeated the powerful French army centuries ago.

Isn't this the same reverend who blamed 911 on Americans and Katrina on gays?


septembermom said...

Please tell me that he didn't say that. Let us all be people. Stop judging. I can't even go on talking about this stupid remark when I think of all the suffering in Haiti.

Judith Ellis said...

I know the feeling, Kelly! I was incredibly incensed by it!!! It's an outrage! Where is his humanity?

Bonnie Bonsai said...

Yes he IS according to the Internet News!

Judith Ellis said...

I'm sorry, Bonnie, I don't really understand your comment. Are you implying that these are not Robinson's words? The clip that you refer here is exactly the same and he did indeed say that Haitians are "cursed" because of the "pact made with the devil" centuries ago. This curse and pact stuff sounds more Faustian than biblical.

Bonnie Bonsai said...

Oh, I just jump on to my answer without being specific. I was merely answering your question:

Isn't this the same reverend who blamed 911 on Americans?

Hence, reply. Not necessarily commenting to what he said, but mainly answering your question.

I just happened to read the news about him being interviewed and please read on because I supplied the link.

(I don't really know about Pat Robinson. My eyes were glued on the TV day and night during the 9/11 event. At that time, I didn't have an internet. If he was on the news, most likely I missed out. And mind you, I was pretty emotional during this man-made catastrophe.)

Sorry Judith. Hope I made myself clear this time? :)

Judith Ellis said...

Bonnie - Thanks! Your explanation is indeed clear. Have a great day today. I know you're in Australia, one of my favorite places. As you know, I lived in Australia for nearly a year. Sydney is simply gorgeous!

With regards to Haiti, my aunt married a Liberian who was a diplomat to Haiti. My cousins spent quite a few years in Haiti. The extraordinary thing they realized was that there was a wealthy section that had no dealings with those who make $2 dollars a day. Not much has changed; some 80% still live in poverty.

Bonnie Bonsai said...

If the word punishment is aptly referred to by Robertson, then, it is address to the members of this wealthy society who have no heart in helping its poor constituents. There are many aspects in every country's internal affairs that are hidden from the world. The world only rely their piece of knowledge of information feed by the media and mostly exaggerated: good, bad or otherwise. Rich countries like America and Australia, unless, the ordinary citizens are in the shoes of this impoverish members of the society, then and only then, they will know and understand what it is like being in a country like Haiti. I had been in a country like Haiti. That is why, I am so grateful and I have no complain. I feel I have been delivered to a land of safety.

Judith Ellis said...

Bless you, Bonnie!

zorro said...

Rush had something awful to say also.

Judith Ellis said...

Zorro - I heard Limbaugh's despicable words yesterday. I do not typically post about him because I really do not want to add to his discussions and bank. How people think he's entertaining is just way beyond me. The reality is he is not entertaining. He's a racist. Period.

Yesterday, he also said that President Obama responded to the attempted thwarted terrorist attack three days later when, in fact, it was two days. These people want to get people to believe a lie. They also have a vested self-interest in their words, no matter how it affects others.

The leaders in the Republican Party cannot disagree with Limbaugh without apologizing later. My brother had a good point yesterday. He said while there is all this phony outrage from the Republican Party about Harry Reid's statement why don't they condemn Limbaugh? Instead, they praise him.

It's political and many seem disinterested in realities that negatively and disproportionately affect minorities. The really sad thing is that Reid's remarks were compared to Lott's . It is quite obvious that there is no comparison at all. How dishonest of them!

Corrie Howe said...

While, I'm not condoning Pat Robertson's public comments, I can understand how he comes to his conclusions.

The whole Old Testament writes about how God brought punishment and discipline upon people through natural disasters, plagues and invading armies.

If one believes that God doesn't change the way he deals with us, then I believe Robertson is making a logical conclusion consistent with what he believes.

zorro said...

I was actually surprised that Limbaugh said what he said. I thought for once he would have to show some compassion. But he is a rotten man. And he has a large influence in the Republican party. Say what you want about corrupt Democrats,but there are no people who are as rotten as Limbaugh who have the same influence in the Democratic party.

Judith Ellis said...

Corrie - I understand your collusion. I answer it by quoting something my brother who is an astute preacher and pastor said some time ago: "Everything in the Bible is true, but not everything in the Bible is truly spoken."

A great example of this is when Job blamed his destruction of God. He said, "the Lord gives and the Lord takes away." This just simply isn't so. Scripture says that "everything good and perfect comes from above." What happened to Job was not good and perfect, even though his situation was turned around. God does not need the evil to make good. This is essentially Pat Robinson's understanding.

If you look as the loss of life, especially on the scale of a natural disaster as good, that Pat Robinson's comment can be commended. But he should have more wisdom and understanding and most importantly more compassion.

Those in the Old Testament had no understanding of evil or natural disasters so God was the cause of everything. I don't claim to understand everything myself, but where understanding fails, I hope to show love. I also do know that "we see through a mirror darkly." I explain these words below.

I Corinthians 13

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

(NOTE: This scripture has all to do with the coming knowledge of Christ as being the "fulfillment of the law" which is scriptures in the Old Testament. It also refers to the second coming of Christ. "Love covers all" for "God is Love.")

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Pat Robinson would do good to read these scriptures again, think on them, and respond in love with wisdom and understanding as his guide.

Judith Ellis said...

Zorro - It is indeed sad but I think you're right. Limbaugh is "rotten." You are also right that there is NO such voice outside of the Democratic Party that have such influence internally. This is a particularly astute comment. I think it also point to the fact that the Republican Party seems to be currently thoughtless followers of radical ideology. They have always seemed to have a bit of a heard mentality. It seems to have reached a brand new height in the last decade. Fear is the force of this mentality such as the use of 911 to control coupled with prejudice as seen in the tea party movement.

JOHN O'LEARY said...

I wish Limbaugh and Palin would come to Massachusetts and campaign for Scott Brown, the Republican candidate for Senate who is now leading in the polls against Democrat Martha Coakley - with 4 days to go! That might wake up the electorate here - many of whom can't identify the candidates in this short election season.

Meanwhile Ms. Palin gets stumped on a tough question by Fox's Glen Beck about her favorite founding father. I held my breath (expecting her to say Abraham or Moses) but after a lot of explanations about how great and diverse all the founding fathers were, she finally came up with...George Washington! Next time Fox will have to find an interviewer who won't ask such combative questions.

JOHN O'LEARY said...

Hey, I just got a call from Barack himself, asking me to vote for Martha Coakley for Senate. No kidding. There he was. (Ok, it was an automated call, but I'm sure it was for just a few VIPs in the state of Massachusetts like myself.) I think I owe him a return call, in case he's waiting to hear whether I will vote Democratic. (I'll play hard to get - maybe explore a few "quid pro quo's" - but in the end I'll cave.) Hey, who am I to turn down the President?

Judith Ellis said...

Yeah, that will do it , John, for sure! This is probably the reason Palin has been quite as a church mouse with regards to the election in Massachusetts. Of course, in her new position she will be blabbing about.

Massachusetts doesn't seem to have any problem in electing Republicans. Didn't you guys have quite a few Republican governors? And, didn't Kennedy himself have to rigorously fight for his seat election after election? I don't even think Obama won in that State, no?

Massachusetts seems to have the liberal label but its constituents appear to be pretty independent. This is not all bad. But, needless to say, I would not know the local politics as you do.

Judith Ellis said...

LOL, John! Yeah, I think you do owe the Prez a return call. How impolite of you not to do so. He'll probably remember the snub. :-)

JOHN O'LEARY said...

Prior to our current governor, Deval Patrick, our governors have been Republican for years. Yet overall it's been it's the most liberal state in the country for federal and state offices. Obama lost to Hillary in the primary but won big over McCain. In 1972 Massachusetts was the only state to vote against Nixon, an accomplishment that residents here are still proud of.

Judith Ellis said...

Bob - Yes, I know the current governor is Deval Patrick. Thanks for the correction and the other information. If Massachusetts is so liberal why is the race so close? Is the Republican candidate a moderate? Does he have a record that would be pleasing to the constituents of Massachusetts?

JOHN O'LEARY said...

I've been thinking about the "pact with the devil" that Haiti made (when those dark savages revolted against the white, God-fearing French). To have a pact, don't you need signatories? And how many? Or did God - after eavesdropping on the thoughts of the rebels and making a careful calculation - determine that there was at least a 51% majority supporting the revolt?

Hey, I just a got another call urging me to vote Democratic on Tuesday - this time from Bill Clinton! Wow, I must really be important. I fully expect a knock on the door from Joe Biden next.

Judith Ellis said...

John - You are just too funny! I'm laughing so very hard! Yeah, I'm with you on your importance and also suspect a visit from the VP!

Your comment about the pact with the devil is so very true and astute. Robinson is obviously not very astute on some matters of history.

You're right on! It also allowed the purchase of the Louisiana territory for 3 cents an acre, a bargain basement deal of $15 million and paved the way for freedom in the Caribbean.